Saturday, July 22, 2006

To all those who like to quote the Qur'an out of context:


There are many quotes I could use, but this sums it up best:

"It may be that Allah will grant love and friendship between you and those who you (now) hold as enemies. For Allah has power (over all things); and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Allah forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loves those who are just.

Allah only forbids you with, regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and support others in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such that turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong."
Surah 60 7-9

Any other "selective quoters", I will be deleting your comments as they are the same boring, tedious arguments and just show how much you've missed the point of my last post, which is that the daily practice of Muslims is non-violent and impacts minimally on those around them.

18 comments:

moonlight said...

nice site,love it cuz ya proud of ya religion

Anonymous said...

That's funny, you just quoted the Quran out of context!

I just wish someone can put the quotes that I showed you in context and explain to me exactly how I should be interpreting them.

Are extremists interpreting the Quran incorrectly or is that the real message?

Safiya said...

It's very simple. The quotes you are showing are for times of war. When Muslims are under attack. If there is an opportunity for peace, then an agreement should be reached.

That's why I chose the quote it explains fully that you should only fight with those who oppress you.
Therefore the quote is not out of context of the message of the Qur'an.

In answer to your last question, yes extremists (both Muslim and non-Muslim) do indeed twist the words of the Qur'an for their own benefit.

Instead of just reading quotes from a website like the one you linked to, you should actually read a copy of the Qur'an with a good commentary.

I recommned "The Meaning of The Holy Qur'an by Yusuf Ali. (May Allah be pleased with him).

The most important thing is not to confuse Islam with the behaviour of some Muslims.

The same could be said about most belief systems. The use of Marxist theory to justify some heinous acts, does not mean that Marx himself was an evil man, does it?

I wish you all the best on your search for knowledge and May Allah guide you and protect you always.

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Anonymous said...

Why did my post get deleted?
You do not wish to have debates on Islam on your blog?
You seemed to do just that with the other anonymous poster.

Anonymous said...

Ok since i apparently hit a nerve somewhere, i want to ask the Muslims here how they would feel if Israel used the same tactics as Muhammed in fighting there wars?

For example taking the Palestinian men who have pubic hair and beheading them and taking the woman and children as slaves and concubines?
And dividing the "war booty"?
As so many Jewish tribes suffered when Muhammed walked this earth?

What would the Muslim reaction be?
Would they call it barbaric?

If you do not feel like you can answer these questions then please delete my post.

Safiya said...

Anonymous - You insult my religion and your comment will be deleted. There are plenty of other corners of the internet to go to with that kind of opinion.

So, the current Israeli tactics of insuring there is no one left at the end of battles because they have all been killed is not barbaric?

Unlike the Israelis,Islam forbids fighting non-combatants, this means they are still alive at the end of the war and need to be taken care of.

As for treatment of the Jews. My namesake, Safiya, was a Jew who converted to Islam after her tribe were defeated by the armies of the Prophet (pbuh).

You can read more about her story here:
http://www.anwary-islam.com/women/pwife_safiyya.htm

Anonymous said...

safiya,

I'm the original anon and those above me are other people.

Anyways, don't you think the extremist can argue that this is a time of war and hence the quotes are applicable? I think that's a valid argument.

How come we don't hear about prominent muslim sheikhs saying that the extremists are infact twisting words?

Don't put all belief systems in the same basket. Some belief systems more vulnerable to such interpretations than others. Little, if any, terrorist acts have been committed in the name of Buddhism for example.

"Islam forbids fighting non-combatants"

Do you have anything supporting that? I don't think a lot of muslims are aware of this.

Safiya said...

Hello original anon -

There are many, many examples of mainstream Islamic scholars speaking out against extremism. However, the simple fact is extremism is more newsworthy, stoking people's fears sells more papers.

The way I see it, Islam is the convenient replacement for the now defunct "Red-Terror". The U.S needs to have a bogeyman, if there isn't one, then one will be invented.

As for the ban on killing non-combatants, this is a well-known ruling from sayings of the Prophet (pbuh). It is something all Muslims have a duty to be aware of.

As for different belief systems. I think each society demonstrates and follows it's belief systems in different ways.

Looking at Buddhism, most of the major Buddhist countries (China, Japan,Burma) have all suffered major conflict in the 20th century.

Maybe violence in the name of Buddhism doesn't occur as much but it's presence doesn't seem to stop wars occurring either.

Anonymous said...

Safiya your prophet only forbid killing of woman and children because they were Muslim war booty.
Slaves were a integral part of the economy at that time.
Muslims held many slaves which they would sell on the slave markets of Damascus.Quite simply they were worth more alive to the Muslims then dead.

I would like to point out some Hadith in the collection of Sahih Muslim which permits killing woman and children if it is not deliberate.

Book 019, Number 4321:
It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.


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Book 019, Number 4322:
It is narrated by Sa'b b. Jaththama that he said (to the Holy Prophet): Messenger of Allah, we kill the children of the polytheists during the night raids. He said: They are from them.


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Book 019, Number 4323:
Sa'b b. Jaththama has narrated that the Prophet (may peace be upon him) asked: What about the children of polytheists killed by the cavalry during the night raid? He said: They are from them.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4321

It is also clear that Muslims do not consider it a crime for people like Hezbollah (the party of God) to launch missiles at Israeli cities.

Safiyya bint Huyayy became the 11th wife of Muhammed after he had killed her father in battle and tortured her husband Kinana ibn al-Rabi who was the treasurer of the Banu Nadir when he refused to say where the treasures of the Banu Nadir were hidden.
Her story is not at all like the one you linked too.
After the horrific events ,she was given to another Muslim as a slave, but Muhammed struck with her beauty threw his mantle over her claiming her for himself and offered her marriage if she embraced Islam.
The Muslims never trusted her and she always tried to help the Jews and also maintained Jewish religious customs.
Her age being just 17 and the circumstances at the time show that she just wanted to survive and not be made a slave.

Anonymous said...

Also after having deleted by first post,you never answered my question on what is considered "oppression" in Islam?
Is it not considered "oppression" if you are not allowed to live by Sharia law?

That was enough for Muhammed to declare war.
The very first verse of the Qu'ran Surah 96 even shows how deep his hatred was when he was not allowed to prostrate before the Kabbaa.
Things just got worse from there.

Safiya said...

Anon -
I wish you would read links before posting them. From the link you posted:
"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield:
Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path.
You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman. nor an aged man.
Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful.
Slay not ary of the enemy's flock. save for your food.
You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone"

As for disputing the story of Safiya's (RA) father. Where is your proof that the link I posted is not correct, other than cutting and pasting from Wikipedia.

The very first verse of the Qu'ran Surah 96 even shows how deep his hatred was when he was not allowed to prostrate before the Kabbaa.

Do you mean this verse?
Read! in the name of your Lord and Cherisher, Who created-"
Surah 96, ayah(verse)1

How does that verse show any signs of hatred?

Personally, as someone living in a majority non-Muslim country, I accept that means not living under Sharia, however, as my original post described, I am still able to pratice my religion.

If an Islamic state were established, I would feel duty-bound to move there.

I've indulged you up until now, but I feel neither of us are achieving anything by continuing this converstation. I am very sad that you hate Islam so much. I will pray for you.

May Allah guide you and protect you.

Militant Muslimah said...

wonderful new blog Sis---glad I stopped by---tomorrow I will add you to my links! peace!

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Safiya said...

Militant Muslimah - But I'm already on your links, near the top in fact. ;)

Ali la Loca said...

Safiya,

First, I should have read this before asking about your name in my e-mail. :) I guess I've already got my answer, haven't I?

What a debate you've got going here. Good for you for using your blog as a forum for this kind of discussion.

I would like to read the Quran one day, as I feel it necessary to understand your religion better before I can even begin to comment on my views. I admit that, for as worldly as I like to consider myself, I know very little about Islam.

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